Ahmaud Arbery shot while jogging in Georgia - shooters not arrested *ARREST*


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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.




After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”
 

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GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
It just occurred to me how fortunate the three men are. They will get a jury trial instead of a couple of citizens making assumptions and taking the law in their own hands to be judge, jury and executioner with no trial, with no reason that we have yet seen that justifies it. That is a lot more than Arbery received.
 

Howell

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No. Did the video the attorney post show them hitting him? Did it show them chasing him until he could run no longer? Here we also have a direct quote from GBI themselves "Reynolds also said that state investigators had found "a number of pieces of video" that linked Bryan to the case." Did it show any of that? So yes, most people that are capable of individual thought, will safely come to the conclusion that it was heavily edited. You have stated that the media posted only what they chose to with it, which implies editing in this case. They posted what was given to them already edited by either one of the charged or the attorney.
That would be a speculative conclusion. You are assuming that Reynolds is referring only to the phone video. We don't know that. They may have doorbell camera footage from other residents or other videos to base that on. It's not an indication that the phone video was edited.

The media did in fact choose to share with you what they wanted you to see. They didn't tell you about Arbery's criminal record or his repeated night time entries of the same property. They gave you a choirboy photo from 7 years earlier, statements only from his friends and family, referred to him as a "jogger", etc.
 

Howell

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@Howell

With all due respect, you tell some of us continually the media narrative is influencing us whether we realize it or not... You seem well aware of the narrative so are you saying you watch it continually to know the narrative so well but it does not influence you? However, some of us are clueless(??) and zombies who are subconsciously believing it but not you? We can't see through it but you can??? We tell you we don't decide from that but you tell us we are subconsciously influenced but not you? WOW, not sure how you came to that conclusion. You assume what we watch and what influences our opinions whether we realize it or not? But not you who is the one who continually brings up media, it influences us, you watch it and it doesn't you? Oh wise one to assume that? Yet you ignore Bryan's arrest and now the preliminary hearing and under oath statements as well as evidence that is not MEDIA, hardly a comment. Do you argue about media with the media, maybe that is where it should be directed. Some media certainly deserves it.
Again, it was you who called the McMichaels 'racist redneck idiots'. Where did you get that idea?
 

Guess Who

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That would be a speculative conclusion. You are assuming that Reynolds is referring only to the phone video. We don't know that. They may have doorbell camera footage from other residents or other videos to base that on. It's not an indication that the phone video was edited.

The media did in fact choose to share with you what they wanted you to see. They didn't tell you about Arbery's criminal record or his repeated night time entries of the same property. They gave you a choirboy photo from 7 years earlier, statements only from his friends and family, referred to him as a "jogger", etc.
No more speculation that you are doing with him being in the home to steal stuff, except in your speculation, nothing was stolen at any time any of the people in there were in there. They also aren't telling you about the numerous times others were in the house, too and you know they were, if you have really been in new construction.
 

Howell

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The house I grew up in was one of the first completed houses in my neighborhood. Houses were under under construction for several years after we moved in. All kinds of peeps would come wander around at night for the reasons you said above.

The adults told us kids to stay away and of course, we didn't listen:) I'll never forget one time, my sis, cousin and I went to go investigate houses. Snow had recently melted so lots of mud. My sis' boot got sucked down into the mud like quicksand and we couldn't get her out. I had to run home to get my Dad to rescue her (he was not happy!). He got her out, but couldn't get the boot and he carried her home.

It was scary as kids at the time, but now we laugh about it. What did the construction crew think when they came Monday and saw a boot in the mud? :floorlaugh:
To the bolded, I don't believe you. They didn't come wander around at night.

I can agree that construction sites serve as a source of curiosity for potential homebuyers, remodelers, nosy neighbors, etc. as Guess Who said. I don't agree that they tend to indulge that curiosity at night, repeatedly. And I don't see how Arbery fit into any of those categories.
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
Again, it was you who called the McMichaels 'racist redneck idiots'. Where did you get that idea?

:thud:That has been explained more than once above ad nauseum Do you have a real argument, no offense? By the way, after hearing things from the preliminary it looks like I might have been right on with that judgment. I don't know, we will discuss it when I get back from grabbing my guns and going hunting down someone in my pickup truck, I forgot my badge but made sure I had my flag sticker. Hint, hint. By the way, which of the three are you deciding to believe now? Bryan states a racial slur was made by Travis after killing Arbery... Real remorse there huh?
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
That would be a speculative conclusion. You are assuming that Reynolds is referring only to the phone video. We don't know that. They may have doorbell camera footage from other residents or other videos to base that on. It's not an indication that the phone video was edited.

The media did in fact choose to share with you what they wanted you to see. They didn't tell you about Arbery's criminal record or his repeated night time entries of the same property. They gave you a choirboy photo from 7 years earlier, statements only from his friends and family, referred to him as a "jogger", etc.
I think your "beef" is with the media and is misdirected. :unsure:
 

Guess Who

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To the bolded, I don't believe you. They didn't come wander around at night.

I can agree that construction sites serve as a source of curiosity for potential homebuyers, remodelers, nosy neighbors, etc. as Guess Who said. I don't agree that they tend to indulge that curiosity at night, repeatedly. And I don't see how Arbery fit into any of those categories.
And with your insistance that it doesn't happen at night makes me question your real construction experience, especially new construction. Do you know how many times we had people get hurt simply playing around at our lots at night? Mostly kids jumping off of new foundations with skateboards etc, but also full grown adults walking around in the dark and falling over uneven ground or the bracing board for the wall that wasn't finished. It happens - a LOT.
 

GrandmaBear

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And with your insistance that it doesn't happen at night makes me question your real construction experience, especially new construction. Do you know how many times we had people get hurt simply playing around at our lots at night? Mostly kids jumping off of new foundations with skateboards etc, but also full grown adults walking around in the dark and falling over uneven ground or the bracing board for the wall that wasn't finished. It happens - a LOT.
So very true. Plus it just doesn't matter. He does nor realize Arbery does not have to FIT in any category ANY more than the others who were there do. Putting him in one or claiming he does not fit in one still gave them NO RIGHT NOR REASON to do as they did. You don't go hunt humans with guns in groups of three with nothing but assumptions. Nothing in the cited laws allows for that so far as I can see. Imo.
 

Howell

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No more speculation that you are doing with him being in the home to steal stuff, except in your speculation, nothing was stolen at any time any of the people in there were in there. They also aren't telling you about the numerous times others were in the house, too and you know they were, if you have really been in new construction.
Fair enough if you want to call that speculation. I don't know for a fact that Arbery's intention was to steal from or to case the site. I've asked you and others to offer an alternative reasonable explanation for him being in that house repeatedly at night and have not been given one.

The media did tell us about others being in the house, tho. I gave you the link from CNN.
 

Howell

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:thud:That has been explained more than once above ad nauseum Do you have a real argument, no offense? By the way, after hearing things from the preliminary it looks like I might have been right on with that judgment. I don't know, we will discuss it when I get back from grabbing my guns and going hunting down someone in my pickup truck, I forgot my badge but made sure I had my flag sticker. Hint, hint. By the way, which of the three are you deciding to believe now? Bryan states a racial slur was made by Travis after killing Arbery... Real remorse there huh?
Oh, you mean by "pickups, guns, Georgia and more, including their behavior and add in the attitudes and looks". Owning a pickup or a gun is racist? Being white and in Georgia is racist? What about their behavior, attitudes and looks seen in the video led you to believe they're "racist"?
 

Guess Who

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Fair enough if you want to call that speculation. I don't know for a fact that Arbery's intention was to steal from or to case the site. I've asked you and others to offer an alternative reasonable explanation for him being in that house repeatedly at night and have not been given one.

The media did tell us about others being in the house, tho. I gave you the link from CNN.
You have been given MANY reasons why MANY people go to construction sites. These people are the very reason why trades do NOT leave their small tools laying around. Period.

It sure seems to be YOU that is being persuaded by the media. YOU are the one that keeps bringing them up. GBI and court papers do not qualify as media.
 

Guess Who

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Oh, you mean by "pickups, guns, Georgia and more, including their behavior and add in the attitudes and looks". Owning a pickup or a gun is racist? Being white and in Georgia is racist? What about their behavior, attitudes and looks seen in the video led you to believe they're "racist"?
Why are you only concerned by that one, very short clip of a video? Did you not read what was said in the indictment and by GBI?
 

GrandmaBear

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Oh, you mean by "pickups, guns, Georgia and more, including their behavior and add in the attitudes and looks". Owning a pickup or a gun is racist? Being white and in Georgia is racist? What about their behavior, attitudes and looks seen in the video led you to believe they're "racist"?
Keep beating the same theme to death and ignoring every other thing. Funny that there are other whites in Georgia and I never called any of them such a thing including the female defense attorney who gave quite an opinion of this case and the GA law. Nope, I know many people that own pickups and guns but they don't go around hunting a person who was in a house not their own and NOT next door as we were led to believe, speaking of media and the way they twist.
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
You have been given MANY reasons why MANY people go to construction sites. These people are the very reason why trades do NOT leave their small tools laying around. Period.

It sure seems to be YOU that is being persuaded by the media. YOU are the one that keeps bringing them up. GBI and court papers do not qualify as media.
Neither does the applicable law qualify as media (or in this case NOT applicable because it was not a citizen's arrest nor stand your ground).
 

Howell

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Keep beating the same theme to death and ignoring every other thing. Funny that there are other whites in Georgia and I never called any of them such a thing including the female defense attorney who gave quite an opinion of this case and the GA law. Nope, I know many people that own pickups and guns but they don't go around hunting a person who was in a house not their own and NOT next door as we were led to believe, speaking of media and the way they twist.
OK, so you won't answer the question. Very telling. All of the information you are citing has come from the media. You may wish to remember that George Zimmerman was placed in a similar situation. Demonized by the media, arrested, charged, and put in front of a jury. A jury who, after hearing the totality of FACTS, decided quite quickly that he had done NOTHING wrong.
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
OK, so you won't answer the question. Very telling. All of the information you are citing has come from the media. You may wish to remember that George Zimmerman was placed in a similar situation. Demonized by the media, arrested, charged, and put in front of a jury. A jury who, after hearing the totality of FACTS, decided quite quickly that he had done NOTHING wrong.
Why don't you look back at all of the info and questions you have ignored? I have answered you the same thing many times. You didn't answer a question above earlier? Who do you believe about the racial slur that Bryan said Travis Mc said over Arbery's dead body right afterwards? You never respond to the laws, the GBI, the FULL videos out there etc. If you want to debate then quit picking and choosing. Yes the McMichaels and Bryan will get a jury trial for charges, Arbery did not get one with NO charges. They are fortunate if you ask me. Funny how not even defense attorneys going by the KNOWN facts and not the media do not agree with you. Barnhill might.
 

Guess Who

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OK, so you won't answer the question. Very telling. All of the information you are citing has come from the media. You may wish to remember that George Zimmerman was placed in a similar situation. Demonized by the media, arrested, charged, and put in front of a jury. A jury who, after hearing the totality of FACTS, decided quite quickly that he had done NOTHING wrong.
yeah, they did the same for OJ and Casey Anthony, too. :sigh:
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
OK, so you won't answer the question. Very telling. All of the information you are citing has come from the media. You may wish to remember that George Zimmerman was placed in a similar situation. Demonized by the media, arrested, charged, and put in front of a jury. A jury who, after hearing the totality of FACTS, decided quite quickly that he had done NOTHING wrong.
This is not the Zimmerman case. Neither is the Floyd case. Neither is the Breonna case. I don't lump cases hon. I form opinions on what I can determine to be the likely facts in each You seem to do exactly that however. You just brought up Zimmerman. Arbery was there at night, of course he was up to no good per you, they had a right to hunt him per you, corner him and chase him with guns per you. What???? Been there before and no evidence of any robbery or vandalism. What??? I intensely dislike most of our media but boy they must have done something to you because that is your entire mantra here, apparently you are scared to give it to the media where your anger seems to belong.
 

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